Wednesday, October 9, 2013

Some thoughts on 'Containment Fields'

I'm "Tumbling" this blog - meaning it will get longer and longer... . Thinking 'subject posts' that just keep updating.

October 9, 2013 - More on 'Containment Fields'

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Acoustic Levitation....
At the US Department of Energy's Argonne National Laboratory scientists have been experimenting with sound waves and pharmaceutical solutions, levitating soluble drops b/w two speakers facing each other. While there research have produced some visually fascinating results. It has also led to the discovery of a far more effective method for creating amorphous drugs, which happen to be more desirable of two forms that pharmaceutical drugs can take.....

(via Tufail M. - Google+ - Oct 6, 2013 - )

(Lots of skepticism in comments under the Tim O'Reilly post for some reason.)

Here's the my comment under Tim's piece - that I didn't post:

Fields are interesting. The intersection of fields is even more interesting.

Recently I've been watching an NTSB air-crash-report based documentary series by National Geographic.

One plane crash investigation that was particularly interesting with reference to wave interactions showed how wingtip vortices can cause control issues for pilots flying behind other aircraft. As a result of the discovery of this kind of turbulence, the NTSB asked NASA to look into the phenomena.

Source: Wikipedia Wake turbulence -

Particle physics described by quantum calculations seem to live in a separate universe from that which we observe in larger scale transferees of energy - which we observe as waves. The visualization of this, the classic pebble dropped into a pool of water: pebble hits the surface of the water and creates a series of concentric waves which emanate out from the point of first contact. This is a two dimensional representation of a 'field wave bubble' (my term, I think).

The way I try to visualize this is the concentric waves of photons (better is concentric bubbles, or spheres) expanding away from the surface of the sun. Understanding how a bubble can be a part of a wave, and how distinct bubbles are connected to the bubbles just in front - or behind - is a difficult visualization. We tend to see the world in a two dimensional way - three dimensions is often a mental interpretation of what our eyes are perceiving; a map of understanding that our brains construct to exist in the three dimensional space. Add the forth dimension, time, and our ability to perceive what is really going on results in many more cognition errors.

Understanding how fields interact might provide a clue to how particles create field waves. For example: is Light a wave? Or a stream of particles? Is an oscillating stream of particles a wave? How can we visualize a wave as both a stream, and a wave? What qualities of a series of wave particles reflect the essence of what we see as a wave?

Understanding how dynamic fields interact is perhaps a route to understanding the connection between particle physics and wave physics.

I've been interested in dynamic field waves for a number of years, as a way forward in understanding the difference between the characteristics of particles, and the characteristics of waves. For example, is light a particle or a wave? This is a conundrum that we have not worked through in 300 years of trying.

Most physicists agree it is both. This is best illuminated by the double slit experiment. Throw random particles at a barrier wall with two slits in it, and record where the particles hit on the other side of the barrier wall - and you will get an interference pattern that reminds of the field lines of a magnet - a reflection of the interference created by the barriers between the slits (with something else added?).

Turn on the lights and repeat the bombardment, and the interference pattern doesn't present.

Here's an animation from Wikimedia (and see a talk on this in the link list below):

(via -

The field that we exist in might be the best field to observe in order to understand fields better.

Our atmosphere is for the most part, water vapour. At different elevations from the surface of the earth that atmosphere holds varying percentages of water - more near to the surface less and less the higher off the ground you go. These differing characteristics of the air at different elevations creates distinct air masses, which behave differently depending I think on their mass - a function of how much water they are able to sustain. So we can look at the interfaces between those layers to discover the characteristics of field wave interactions.

Another field intersection that we are very familiar with is the vastly different characteristics of the field that is liquid water (the oceans) and the field that is the atmosphere that contacts them at the seas' surface.

Also been thinking about how trees get water all the up to the top from the roots.

(or do they?. New understandings from forest management indicate that much of the water at the top of especially the tallest trees, California Red Woods - may come in part, from rain, which the trees' leaves are specifically designed to collect and store.) (National Geographic - Redwoods

Our standard explanation of this seems inadequate to me. The idea is that "capillary action" is responsible for this seems doubtful as that means that the process is essentially electromagnetic in nature. The magnetic forces involved are tiny when compared to the force of gravity pulling in the opposite direction. Are there other forces at work? Is the electromagnetic attraction an indicator of another proximate field that the municus is a refection of?

The meniscus that we see at the top of a beaker of water indicates that an electromagnetic attraction between the glass and the water molecules results in the concave incline all around the inside of the beaker - that rises above the surface of the water. In trees, the idea goes, the cells transfer water from one cell in the trees cellular structure up to the next cell through an electromagnetic process. - but as the cells themselves, are almost completely water - it must be the cell membrane that facilitate this attractive force between the the membrane matrix of molecules and the body of water molecules... . Or do we need to also look at the combinations of different matrices: the membrane matrix creates a field, the water within them create fields and those collection of fields also create a sympathetic field - and that in turn, interacts with the membrane matrix field.  :\


Some links:

Some people in a chat room talking about plasma control: "Thread: Can magnetic fields be used to build a protective bubble that keeps out hot plasma?" -

Physics Central, Physics Buzz Blog - 2013-02-05 "Bathtub Physics: Using Bubbles to Battle Gravity" -

Double Slit Experiment explained! by Jim Al-Khalili


2013-03-17 - Some thoughts on 'Containment Fields' (original post)

A 'containment field' - as in Star Trek the Next Generation episode, 'Realm of Fear' - could be a three dimensional figure eight, the top, middle and bottom of the shape, three nodes and the wave sign of a particular intensity of energy ... where the field, when viewed in two dimensions - is shaped like a figure eight - but each field line of the field traces a line from one pole to another (180 degrees), and at the same time, spirals 360 degrees down to the middle node of our figure '8'. And then the field line spirals around and down to the bottom most node in our thought-model:

Then multiply by millions electromagnetic strands - artificially produced in science fiction by some sort of highly complex set of field generators perhaps, working in conjunction - like a holographic projector. This three dimensional figure eight field is but one of an infinite number of shapes energy morphs into at different frequencies. And these three nodes - in our thought experiment - are but one wave sign of - perhaps one could imagine - an infinity long winding thread of energy spiraling through the solar system; connected less and less with it's cousin wave patterns - some born a nano-seconds before - and nano-seconds after - are now distant particles in the coldness of the outer solar system.
One could use this thought-model to then envision the spherical waves of energy off the surface of a sun. An expanding, evolving series of matrices; field lines morphing from state to state, changing over time; energy intensity; and the distance of their journey away from the star.
From measurement in the nano-second scale of changes happening near the moment of it's birth - to the eaons of time that may pass as energy from the star sends (for example) light energy to the furthest reaches of the universe.


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